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Nathan
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Recently I had around 20 staff members, 40 vendors, and just under 400 attendees over the week for our Inspection Super Conference in Vegas at The Palms. We had Monday and Tuesday IR courses from Monroe Infrared, 3 days of CE tracks, and then our all day Main Stage on Saturday.

Sunday morning much of the staff and attendees had left Vegas...except a few including myself.

At 10:08 PM I was enjoying a cocktail at Parasol Down at the Wynn right on the strip when Stephen Paddock began firing into a crowd at the Route 91 Harvest Country Music Festival from his room on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay. There was suddenly talk about it, servers and staff were alerting patrons, then sirens and chaos. The taxi lines began to fill up so I grabbed a sedan and headed back to the Palms where the Casino floor was eerily silent. Just a few hardcore slot machine players sat burning through their retirements in peace.

I watched the news, saw the body count rise, saw the rumors of shots fired at other hotels and potential bomb threats evaporate, and went to bed thinking about how the whole world was about to change- and when I woke up it was by then the deadliest such shooting in U.S. history.

With the shooter dead, we may never get complete answers, but we know the rhetoric in the age old American debate on guns, gun control, and more recently about assault weapons is about to change dramatically. I say this because every event before now seemed to have some characteristics that we could either use to explain it away or at the very least suggest it wasn't that relevant to us.

When it was a gay night club- well, I'm not gay and I don't frequent nightclubs...so those dangers don't relate to me. When it was an abortion clinic...I don't frequent those either. I had incredible sympathy both times, but it didn't hit close to home. When it was a crazy person who had been let out of the ward two months ago we could blame the system and say we need to do a better job with our mental health system and identifying threats. When it was a radicalized Muslim (or non-Muslim radicalized individual) we always say we should have been watching their social media and we can just increase the FBI surveillance and solve the problem. And of course let's not forget the go-to argument about "shooting people is already illegal" which was a convenient argument to make when the guns utilized were also obtained illegally and we all had this idea (even those far on the left of gun control) that it would be better for some of the good guys to (potentially) have some firepower wherever the bad guys might go. We all realize of course that guns in general cannot (and should not) be eradicated or confiscated.

All of those arguments just imploded. We had a seemingly good guy- an accountant. Retired. Lives in a conservative community. Owned guns legally. Had neighbors and family. Never been a criminal up to this point and never said a peep on social media about how he hated any group or government. He didn't go somewhere new, he frequented Vegas. He was probably gambling and having fun the day before. He checked in with his ID, his credit card, and probably opened his mail a few days earlier at home just like you or I do and even bought a gift for his mother.

Then he shot up, of all things, a country music festival.


My name is Nathan Thornberry and I can tell you this about myself:

I'm not for Trump nor am I for Hillary.
I'm good at shooting guns and I'm from the very center of this great country (Where we are good at shooting guns).
I'm all for freedom.
I'm a father first.

AND

I firmly believe that some guns were designed (and can be modified further) for the sole purpose of killing humans and if that offends you in any way I would encourage you to be a few hundred yards from a mass shooting where one is used suddenly wondering where all of your staff, clients, and friends are and suddenly being very happy that your family is not with you on this business trip.

It may just change your outlook.

The dust has settled, the debate is back on, and I look forward to all sides coming to a resolution this time. We're really good and ensuring no one else can attack our country or take away our freedoms, let's get better at not allowing us to do it to ourselves.

God Bless America.

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Chad D
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I don't blame the guns, gun manufactures, or gun owners. I blame the individual. Whether or not we know their reasons, it always comes down to the individuals. They have something inside their head that makes them feel the need to do whatever atrocities they set out to do. Maybe they are terrorist, fundamentalist, or just plain guys from Montana (sorry guys from Montana, it's a paraphrased joke from the great late George Carlin). Ultimately, it's probably more of a question of mental health, how our systems are broken, and we don't have great treatments for those people. The quick and easy thing to do is to medicate and leave it in the hands a select few people. So we are now an overmedicated population and they are probably on the wrong medications.

If you are pro or anti gun, nothing of significance is going to change. Things may become more strict, which will only hurt the law abiding citizens. If you completely outlaw guns, then the only people left with guns will be the outlaws.

For those people that want to ban certain "assault weapons" or magazine size, you really have no idea how all of that works. First of all any weapon is an assault weapon. The magazine size will not make much difference, especially for those that are very familiar with their weapons and they can change out a magazine in 1-2 seconds. Besides there are other weapons that are just as lethal if not more lethal than guns.

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No one wants to completely outlaw guns. At least I don't and no one I know doesn't.

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Let's be real for a moment.

If this guy had rented a large moving truck and drove into that crowd he could have caused the same panic, killed an equal amount of people yet we would not be having a ban the moving truck discussion.

We do not live in a safe world.

When we went to Fremont street, I was not drinking but I was packing (Legally).

We can not protect everyone from everything.

12 minutes after the 911 call the shooter was dead. I commend the LVPD.

My heart goes out to the victims and their families.

I'm sorry it happened.

Gun control does not work, just look at Chicago and New York.

It saddens me that this is once again being used for political agendas.

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It was not lost on me that I was one of the many with you in Las Vegas the hours before this happened. I have spent the time checking in on Facebook knowing that if one of us stayed and was a victim of the disaster, it would be posted.

Is this enough? Killing kids in Sandy Hook, the bombing of the federal building, the turning of heads away from a man who was a part of our military shooting fellow soldiers on a base where the soldiers were not permitted to carry guns, heck, every year in the spring there are school shootings as the anniversary of Columbine comes around (I had relatives there) To allow a race in historic Boston to run to its completion without ripping the legs of runners and killing others at the finish line with pressure cooker bombs.

Is this enough? You ask enough to what? To deal with the mental health issues, to put a hand up when people suspect this can happen, to say something when you see something without fear..... to actually have discussion without the posturing with politics. ( I have had it with the talking heads rehashing made up jiberish that nobody really knows yet...just to get on TV news in support a personal bias or agenda) By the way....I truly admire the officials of Las Vegas who were prepared for disaster, got about the business of saving lives, have professionally conducted an investigation and communicated clearly and honestly without any bias or agenda.

An hour before the carnage started, the 22,000 attendees of concert were singing "God Bless America" The tape is out there if you doubt it. There were many heroes that came to the forefront...risking their lives to save others. It was amazing how many good deeds happened in the aftermath. There are far more good people in this grand nation than evil.

Is this enough.....for us to deal with issues with honesty ...without politics as the absolute goal instead of re-election

Nathan is right......this may be enough for the common person to insist that this is the time.

PS I miss the time that there was not a need to lock our doors .......which was the vast majority of my life, but now gone. Yes, the world has changed.

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I remember the days when I was a teen when I'd go hunting in New England, and come out of the woods on some road miles from home. I'd hitchhike home with my rifle slung and sidearm clearly visible. The next vehicle would always give me a ride. Guess those days are gone.

I agree increased gun control (we already have a lot of regulations) will not work. Next will be x-ray of our bags at hotels....

Not sure the answers but it seems to me even if legal purchasing 33 weapons in the last year is pretty unusual unless you are a Federal Firearms dealer.

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Nathan
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scottwarga wrote:Let's be real for a moment.

If this guy had rented a large moving truck and drove into that crowd he could have caused the same panic, killed an equal amount of people yet we would not be having a ban the moving truck discussion.

We do not live in a safe world.

When we went to Fremont street, I was not drinking but I was packing (Legally).

We can not protect everyone from everything.

12 minutes after the 911 call the shooter was dead. I commend the LVPD.

My heart goes out to the victims and their families.

I'm sorry it happened.

Gun control does not work, just look at Chicago and New York.

It saddens me that this is once again being used for political agendas.


What is my political agenda exactly? Read my post again. I want you to keep your guns.

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I totally enjoyed my first ever conference right up until I woke up the morning of Monday to all the worried phone calls, texts messages and videos of what happened the day before in Vegas shortly after I left. That day stained what was an awesome experience with a deep seated sadness for the victims and their families. Much like Mike, I grew up in an environment where owning a gun was a common thing, so much so people would travel around with them on rifle racks in the rear windows of trucks, we would bring new ones into school as show and tell, and most people never went anywhere without either a rifle or a pistol. We were all taught respect for them and what they could do if handled without respect, not only for the weapon but for other people from an early age. There is a line from the movie Grosse Point Blank that I think is somewhat fitting and refers to a "certain moral flexibility" when it comes to crossing the boundary of taking a life. Most would never cross that line, but for whatever reason the people doing these shootings decided it was a viable option. It is my belief that those choices speak to a deeper seated problem in society as a whole and one that is not easily fixed by regulations or bans. What I do know is that the more often situations like this happen, the more likely they will happen again. I don't have an answer when it comes to gun control or lack thereof... I have used them, enjoyed shooting them and will continue to do so, instilling in my kid the same deep seated respect for what they are capable of and respect for others and their choices as well. Now in addition to that training, I will be teaching him what to do if he is ever caught in a situation such as this tragedy. My heart goes out to the victims and families past, present and future.
 
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