Home Inspection and Real Estate Forum for Home Inspectors and Real Estate Professionals
  [Search] Search   [Recent Topics] Recent Topics   [Hottest Topics] Hottest Topics  
[Register] Register / 
[Login] Login 
[Logo]












What is a Home Inspection?
HI sued in Miami  XML
Forum Index » Legislation, Licensing, Ethics, and Legal Issues
Author Message
William Chandler
General
[Avatar]

Joined: 06/23/2014 04:28 AM EDT
Messages: 1358
Location: Florida
Offline

Miami Herald reported family sues pool builder, pool maintenance co. and HI for death of son who was electrocuted from an overheated pool light. Pool builder has denied responsibility. Pool inspections have always concerned me for this very reason. Often it can be difficult to truly determine if the light is grounded and I have no idea how you may determine if the pool light is overheating. Interestingly enough, just about 5 months ago, we lost referrals from a brokerage because we reported an ungrounded pool light - agent said "it was not a home inspectors business to report such things on a HI". We advised the buyer it was not safe for her daughter to swim until it was repaired. We were doing 8 inspections a month with them and we were dropped for this report. Buyer thanked us, bought the house and had the pool grounded - REA still won't refer us.

What are my fellow inspectors doing to verify pool grounds?

Property360, LLC
www.TheBuildingInspector.net
www.360pestpro.com
www.inspectnewhome.com
www.property360concierge.com
www.mold360.com
homeinspectionflorida.us/
jacksonvillehomeinspectionguide.com
orlandohomeinspectionguide.com
thecommercialbuildinginspector.com
ASHI Certified Inspector
Certified Master Inspector
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts"
[WWW]
gfricke
The Big Lebowski
[Avatar]

Joined: 06/19/2014 09:51 PM EDT
Messages: 453
Location: St Petersburg, FL
Offline

Nothing? How would you verify besides checking to make sure the wiring in the panel is hooked up to a ground. How do you know the ground wire running from the conduit to the light isn't cut. What if it's not hooked up behind the light. Nothing you can do but cross your fingers and keep on moving. We're inspectors not superhuman machines capable of the impossible

Glenn Fricke
DG Construction & Inspections
727-642-2793
www.dgciflorida.com
www.mystpetersburghomeinspector.com
www.florida-home-inspector.us
www.dgconcierge.com
www.savvyagenttampabay.com
www.hugehomewarranty.com

Home Inspections in St Petersburg, Tampa, Clearwater, Bradenton, Florida
[WWW]
waypointeast
Pop Tart
[Avatar]

Joined: 06/22/2014 09:01 PM EDT
Messages: 25
Location: Southeast Florida
Offline

We explain that the pool inspection is visual in nature and that if they want more in depth inspection to bring in a pool specialist. There is no way for us to really tell is the pool light is grounded. Second most of the pools we inspect the pool lights don't work anyway.

Your inspection contract should protect you from anything like this from occurring.

Waypoint Property Inspection East, Llc
Mark Wahl, General Manager
561.676.0546
www.waypointeast.com
wpie@waypointinspection.com
[Email] [WWW]
Pete Campbell
Jedi
[Avatar]

Joined: 06/18/2014 10:55 PM EDT
Messages: 1590
Location: Fort Pierce, SE Florida
Offline

For a long time now, pool and spa lights have been low (12) volts.

I don't see an issue unless the pool is extremely old. If there is a pool light XMR present, could there be a safety issue?

Perhaps we can get Joe Tedesco to advise.

Pete Campbell
Guaranteed Inspections
772-882-9623
ClientCare@GuaranteedInspections.us
http://www.PortStLucieInspections.com
http://www.GuaranteedInspections.us
http://www.GuaranteedInspections.biz



Inspecting Fort Pierce, St. Lucie Village, Lakewood Park, Vero Beach, Indian River Shores, Sebastian, Fellsmere, Fort Drum, Okeechobee, Jensen Beach, Stuart, Palm City, Hobe Sound and Indiantown, Florida.

[Email] [WWW]
William Chandler
General
[Avatar]

Joined: 06/23/2014 04:28 AM EDT
Messages: 1358
Location: Florida
Offline

Pete Campbell wrote:For a long time now, pool and spa lights have been low (12) volts.

I don't see an issue unless the pool is extremely old. If there is a pool light XMR present, could there be a safety issue?

Perhaps we can get Joe Tedesco to advise.


the voltage feed is 110/220 to the step down. if the step down fails, you have 110 in the water (as explained to me)

Property360, LLC
www.TheBuildingInspector.net
www.360pestpro.com
www.inspectnewhome.com
www.property360concierge.com
www.mold360.com
homeinspectionflorida.us/
jacksonvillehomeinspectionguide.com
orlandohomeinspectionguide.com
thecommercialbuildinginspector.com
ASHI Certified Inspector
Certified Master Inspector
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts"
[WWW]
Joe Tedesco
Wizard
[Avatar]

Joined: 06/19/2014 08:59 AM EDT
Messages: 151
Location: Boston, Massachusetts
Offline

Specific details are covered in 680.23 in the NEC.

Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

My statements, written or oral on this site, shall not be considered as the official position of NFPA or any of its Committees, and shall not be considered to be, nor be relied upon as, a Formal Interpretation. They are my personal opinions.
[WWW]
William Chandler
General
[Avatar]

Joined: 06/23/2014 04:28 AM EDT
Messages: 1358
Location: Florida
Offline

Joe,
Do you have any inspection recommendations for HI's on pools?

Property360, LLC
www.TheBuildingInspector.net
www.360pestpro.com
www.inspectnewhome.com
www.property360concierge.com
www.mold360.com
homeinspectionflorida.us/
jacksonvillehomeinspectionguide.com
orlandohomeinspectionguide.com
thecommercialbuildinginspector.com
ASHI Certified Inspector
Certified Master Inspector
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts"
[WWW]
Joe Tedesco
Wizard
[Avatar]

Joined: 06/19/2014 08:59 AM EDT
Messages: 151
Location: Boston, Massachusetts
Offline

William Chandler wrote:Joe,
Do you have any inspection recommendations for HI's on pools?


Offer your services only to verify that the pool was properly installed and inspected by the local building department. Understanding the NEC Article 680 rules would require detailed knowledge of these types of installations. I wonder if there are any SOP's that cover all of the details for the proper electrical inspection of equipment covered by the scope of Article 680?

Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

My statements, written or oral on this site, shall not be considered as the official position of NFPA or any of its Committees, and shall not be considered to be, nor be relied upon as, a Formal Interpretation. They are my personal opinions.
[WWW]
Pete Campbell
Jedi
[Avatar]

Joined: 06/18/2014 10:55 PM EDT
Messages: 1590
Location: Fort Pierce, SE Florida
Offline

Joe Tedesco wrote:Specific details are covered in 680.23 in the NEC.


Joe, below is what we are looking to learn, not necessarily code references:

Pete Campbell wrote:
For a long time now, pool and spa lights have been low (12) volts.

I don't see an issue unless the pool is extremely old. If there is a pool light XMR present, could there be a safety issue?

Perhaps we can get Joe Tedesco to advise.


the voltage feed is 110/220 to the step down. if the step down fails, you have 110 in the water (as explained to me)

Pete Campbell
Guaranteed Inspections
772-882-9623
ClientCare@GuaranteedInspections.us
http://www.PortStLucieInspections.com
http://www.GuaranteedInspections.us
http://www.GuaranteedInspections.biz



Inspecting Fort Pierce, St. Lucie Village, Lakewood Park, Vero Beach, Indian River Shores, Sebastian, Fellsmere, Fort Drum, Okeechobee, Jensen Beach, Stuart, Palm City, Hobe Sound and Indiantown, Florida.

[Email] [WWW]
Joe Tedesco
Wizard
[Avatar]

Joined: 06/19/2014 08:59 AM EDT
Messages: 151
Location: Boston, Massachusetts
Offline

Learning what to inspect and how to determine if the equipment is safe must be done by those who have knowledge of the documents that are used. This includes the NEC there is no simple cheat sheet and it is probably better to attend a seminar that will cover the many rules that must be followed.

Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

My statements, written or oral on this site, shall not be considered as the official position of NFPA or any of its Committees, and shall not be considered to be, nor be relied upon as, a Formal Interpretation. They are my personal opinions.
[WWW]
Nathan
King
[Avatar]

Joined: 06/17/2014 09:32 PM EDT
Messages: 5244
Location: Carmel, IN
Offline

We're putting together a one hour pool inspection course for Home Inspection University. We'll have you covered on all fronts.

P. Nathan Thornberry
www.Nathan.tv
Take Your Career to the Next Level > https://youtu.be/hdBCJbl5byo
The #1 Vendor in Real Estate & Home Inspection
www.InspectionSuccess.net
www.RWSwarranty.com
www.InspectorServicesGroup.com
www.RecallChek.com
www.InspectorLab.com
www.InspectionSuperConference.com

Find a Certified Inspection Expert exclusively at www.InspectionCentral.net
Get your E&O Insurance at 20%+ off your current rates at www.RWSinsurance.com
[Email] [WWW]
Pete Campbell
Jedi
[Avatar]

Joined: 06/18/2014 10:55 PM EDT
Messages: 1590
Location: Fort Pierce, SE Florida
Offline

William Chandler wrote:
Pete Campbell wrote:

the voltage feed is 110/220 to the step down. if the step down fails, you have 110 in the water (as explained to me)


PX Transformer Series
PX600S

These Safety Transformers are specifically designed to supply 12 volts to pool/spa lights, submersible fixtures and outdoor garden lights. A grounded shield between the primary and secondary windings assures safe operation and the built-in circuit protection will disconnect power to the transformer in case of defect or overload.


Pete Campbell
Guaranteed Inspections
772-882-9623
ClientCare@GuaranteedInspections.us
http://www.PortStLucieInspections.com
http://www.GuaranteedInspections.us
http://www.GuaranteedInspections.biz



Inspecting Fort Pierce, St. Lucie Village, Lakewood Park, Vero Beach, Indian River Shores, Sebastian, Fellsmere, Fort Drum, Okeechobee, Jensen Beach, Stuart, Palm City, Hobe Sound and Indiantown, Florida.

[Email] [WWW]
 
Forum Index » Legislation, Licensing, Ethics, and Legal Issues
Go to:   
© 2014 Inspector Services Group